NORTHER LYON

Jeff Lyon Collaboration Rando Small Batch Frame Sets

 
 
 

Check out these pictures of the first prototype! (It's for sale too!)

 

the Norther lyon!

Order yours! Pre-orders and down payments.

The art and all the detail will be forth coming shortly, but I can give you the gist now.

The Norther Lyon will be a silly inexpensive ode to Jan Heine and his thoughts and reviews in Bicycle Quarterly and Jeff's 44 years of frame building experience, and a little of our touch mixed in too. They are all going to be made with a custom mixture of extra light 7.4.7 high quality tubes from True Temper, Kaisei, and Reynolds 853. So light and nice that we're recommending a maximum rider weight of right around 180lbs-ish (this is only a recommendation not a law, we're not cops, do what you think is right for you).  They will all have the Kaisei super supple "Toei Special" fork blades and the light and elegant Grand Bois fork crown from Compass Bicycles.

They're made to fit 650b wheels and 42mm tires safely and correctly. (You may be able to squeeze 48mm tires, but we don't recommend it.)

The frames and forks will be made with small raw no file fillets by the amazing Jeff Lyon

 

Braze ons Options and Features:

The Norther Lyon will come standard with 1in threadless forks (You can talk us into a one inch threaded steer tube for quill stems upgrade for $50).

Standard braze ons will include a single rear fender eye on each rear drop out for fenders. Double eyes on the front drop outs, as well as mid fork barrels for fender and lowrider front racks. (We may find a quality rack that works well and offer them in the future). The fork will also come with a custom under the Crown boss for front fender mounting without having to use a Daruma or L bracket (very trick!). Same for the the chain and seat stay bridge!

The frame will have two sets of water bottle cage bosses: one on the down tube and one on the seat tube, (Sweet talkers can get us to add a set for a third bottle on the under side of the down tube for $50); down tube Shift bosses (these will work with any down tube shifters or bolt on cable stops for bar ends or brifters); three split cable stops: two on the top tube for the rear brake and one on the chain stay for the rear derailleur. The bottom bracket shell will be drilled and tapped for a replaceable cable guide (included).

There is also a pair of pump pegs on the non drive seat stay for the Lezyne Road Drive size large frame pump. (These pumps will need to be modified with a spring to make them work, we will have these available soon).

All Norther Lyon frames are dynamo ready with two reinforced holes in the fork, and one in the down tube, and a driller hole in the bottom bracket shell for, (for rear fender mount dynamo lights). This way all your dynamo wires can easily be run internally! (We have and will make more blog posts on how to run dynamo wiring, and are also more than happy to provide this service to your frame before handing it over to you).

With your Norther Lyon you get your choice of braze ons for either Rene Herse, or our Norther modified, or any other standard canti bosss; or Compass Bicycles hard mount center pulls (These mounts also work for vintage M.A.F.A.C "Raid" brakes or even as Jeff suggested a combination of the two (He thinks a Compass brake up front and a set of cantis on the rear would be pretty neat)! Frames with hard mount studs will come with Compass braze ons for the Compass CP1 front rack. For the Canti boss version we recommend the Velo Orange Randonneur front rack for cantilevers. (We have these brakes and racks available and would prefer if you order it from us with your bike).

 

Process and wait time:

Jeff will make the frames and forks in small batches of 3 to 4. One batch every 4-7 weeks. Each batch will be one size, usually whichever has the most pre-orders. But with batches of other less common sizes in-between the popular sizes, so they don't get put off too long. We're guesstimating less popular sizes will still get a few batches each year. For the popular sizes we estimate no more than about 12 to 16 weeks, maybe sooner, from the time of ordering the bike until the time it's ready to ship. 

They will then be shipped to our shop for final braze ons, bridges powder coating, frame prep: facing, chasing, taping, frame saver, decals and sales. All frames are shipped ready to build up! We are also more than happy to do complete builds or install just the hard stuff like bottom bracket and headsets so they are ready for you or your favorite bike shop to build up. 

We're more than happy to sell you and install any and all parts, and will match the companies standard retail prices. This will save you all the shipping fees, and I'll tell you if you want something that's not going to work and recommend something that will!

 

PRICING:

$1,800* with cantilever brake bosses.

$1,900* with Compass/M.a.f.a.c hard mount studs and Compass CP1 rack mounts.

$50 up charge for one inch threaded steer tube, or third set of bottle bosses.

*These are introductory prices to get some orders going, they will go up as we get going and discover all those little hidden costs  and overlooked expenses involved with a new project. Prices will probably go up by a few hundred bucks in a few weeks and then again after 6 months to a year. Putting a deposits down will lock in your price!

Lezyne size large frame pump $44.99 (Will need to be modified with a spring. We're also modifying them and offering them modified. It's a pain and we recommend having us do it.) *

Lezyne size large frame pump modified with a spring to work with these frames $ $59 

Nos Miche Needle bearing silver headsets One inch threaded or thread-less $65

Inch to 1/18 stem shim $5

Compass Rene Herse Cantileve brakes and hard mount center pulls and CP-1 racks, as well as any of their other parts and accessories will be price matched to their current listed retail price.

Velo Orange racks, stems and other parts and accessories will be price matched to their current listed retail price.

We also offer many great NOS, Polished, blended, and custom parts and accessories, including polished brakes, in our Shop section. And we have a lot of treasures in stock in our physical shop, but not up on the website including Custom Polished and chromo chrome plated "no logo," Nitto quill stems and decaleurs, and custom Honjo fenders with special domed hardware and polished stays.

*Components, accessories, installation labor, and shipping are extra.

Order yours today! Pre-payments or down payments.

Put your deposit down to lock in your prices and fill the batch (full batches get made first!)

Based on pre orders and down payments the first batch will be size 54 and should be done and ready to ship in less than 13 weeks. With each additional batch being ready to ship every 4-6-ish weeks after that (with any luck). The next batch will be 52cm. It looks like the third batch will be 58cm.

We've already got at least one deposit for the 60cm batch so hopfully we'll get a batch of those early next year.

 

SIZES:

Currently offering sizes 52CM, 54CM, 56CM, and 58CM.

More sizes and detail to come. 60cm and sub 52cm frames will get made, but probably not until next year. Put your deposit down to lock in your prices and fill the batch (full batches get made first!)

 

SPECS:

 

52cm:

52 cm seat tube measured center to center.

53.8 top tube center to center.  

74 degree seat tube angle.   

72 degree head tube angle.   

70mm rake of fork rake.  

36mm of trail with a wheel flop of 11mm.

71mm of bottom bracket drop.

Chain stays are 44cm from the center of the bb to the center of the rear axle.

All frames have 1in head tube extension built in. (So you don't have to use as many headset spacers).

52cm stand over will be right about 78cm.

 

54CM:

54cm seat tube measured center to center.

54.5 top tube center to center.

73.5 degree seat tube angle.

72 degree head tube angle.

68mm of fork rake.

38mm of trail with a wheel flop of 11mm.

71mm of bottom bracket drop.

Chain stays are 44cm from the center of the bb to the center of the rear axle.

All frames have 1in head tube extension built in. (So you don't have to use as many headset spacers).

54cm stand over will be right about 80cm.

 

56CM:

56cm seat tube measured center to center.

56cm top tube center to center.

73 degree seat tube angle.

73 degree head tube angle.

68mm of fork rake.

32mm low trial with 9mm wheel flop.

71mm of bottom bracket drop.

Chain stays are 44cm from the center of the bb to the center of the rear axle.

All frames have 1in head tube extension built in. (So you don't have to use as many headset spacers).

56cm should have about an 82cm stand over.

 

58CM:

58cm seat tube measured center to center.

57cm top tube center to center.

73 degree seat tube angle.

73 degree head tube angle.

68mm of fork rake.

32mm low trial with 9mm wheel flop.

71mm of bottom bracket drop.

Chain stays are 44cm from the center of the bb to the center of the rear axle.

All frames have 1in head tube extension built in. (So you don't have to use as many headset spacers).

58cm should have about an 84cm stand over.

 

60cm:

60cm seat tube measured center to center.

57.5 top tube center to center.

72.5 seat tube angle.

73.5 head tube head tube angle.

68mm fork rake with 29mm trail, 8mm wheel flop.

71mm of bottom bracket drop.

Chain stays are 44cm from the center of the bb to the center of the rear axle.

Stand over should be right around 86cm.

*Note: 60cm frames are not on offer yet. We will be offering them, but probably not untill next year.

*Note: 60cm frames will be made with a single over-sized, but still 7.4.7, like all the other frames, super light tube set.

 

*Rake and trail number arrived at thanks to the amazing Yojimg online trail calculator (Partially made by friend of the shop and customer Gino!)

*Stand overs are an approximation, and my poor math skills, and can and will probably be a few mm lower depending on rims and tire fit.

*All numbers subject to change slightly as I get clarifications and corrections from Jeff.

 

weight:

A very light 5.89 pounds frame and fork for size 56cm.

 

Colors:

As of now, if Jeff ends up painting the bikes, we are thinking of offering:

Bronze Metallic Brown (see pics of prototype bike).

Fine Dark Teal Metallic.

Frenchy Robin's Egg Blue.

Gloss Black.

Mystery color when we feel like it.

Sorry no light colors. They're a pain and usually don't make the logos pop!

Right now we're not sure if we will let each customer pick their color, or do each batch all in one of these colors. Possibly let the first pre sold bike customer pick the batch color. We'd save money and time and really prefer to do each batch all the same color.

 

Check out these pictures that make me super happy.

This is an often overlooked detail, and it's perfect on these Norther Lyon frames. The seat binder area has lots of room for any rear cable hanger you like! We like the Surly Bikes one because it's all stainless and has a barrel adjuster. They look even better polished! Nitto ones fit great Too, and the Rene Herse one will fit if you modify the binder bolt itself by cutting down the female side several mm.

We have all of these and a few other in stock!

 

Questions and Answers:

I'm anticipating a few questions so lets answer them here.

 

Hey, isn't one inch threadless obsolete and difficult to get headsets and stems for?

We'll yes, sort of. It was replaced quickly so there were not a lot of headsets and stems made back in the day. Many frame builders still use this size and Jeff said that 90% of the custom bikes he's made are one inch threadless.

Several companies still make headsets including IRD, Cane Creek and Chris King. I've also got a line on a stash or two of NOS needle bearing Miche headsets that we will have available for around $65. I always strongly recommend needle bearing headsets on low trail and dynamo tail light equipped bikes; and don't recommend sealed cartage bearings on low trail and dynamo taillight equipped bikes as they can cause some issues.

Shims from one inch to 1 1/8 stems are cheap and available so you can use any modern 1 1/8 stem. We have a nice selection of IRD bright silver 1 1/8 thread-less stem, Velo-Orange and Compass Cycles also have very attractive ones too (and we'd be more than happy to sell you any of them and install them too). The Compass stem even has a great decaleur solution and drop spacers kits! There are a few nos and used one inch thread-less stems out there if you want to search. Many frame builders will make you a custom one too. We may also make some matching no file fillet batches of stems for these bikes if there is enough interest. We'll keep you posted if we go that way.

Hey, are there, or why aren't there, rear rack mounts?

No rear rack braze ons! Yes we know they're common on lots of bikes and people think they like rear racks because they're common. No that doesn't make them good, Low trail bikes don't like to have weight on the rear, and these aren't touring bikes. They're really light weight performance low trail bikes and they wont ride optimally with rear racks. There are lowrider mounts on the fork for larger light loads that wont fit in your handlebar bag. And these bikes are made to carry weight up front and be ridden exclusively with handle bar bags.

Are you going to do 700c bikes as well as 650b?

Jeff would like too, so I'm guessing the answer is yes, although I'm not sure why anyone would want one when 650b ones are available? 650b!!!

Are you going to do a disk brake version?

No. Disk brakes make a huge amount of torque and break light forks! You have to have a super heavy duty stiff fork and that defeats the whole point of ultra light super supple bikes!

What are the color options?

We haven't worked that out out. We'll probably pick four or five colors we like and will look good with the logo decals. Every single person will probably want custom colors and want to ask me about it and bug us and eat up a bunch of time. If there are a bunch of requests for the same custom color we will probably add it. But other than than. No! 

Will you customize it--change the braze ons, change the frame sizes, do mine with lugs, change the trail, make it for internal hub or belt drive?

No! The only way not to lose a bunch of money and waist a bunch of time is to batch them out and make them all the same. If you want custom stuff, you need to order a custom bike. These are as is just like every other batch bike, or off the shelf bike. Mark and Jeff think it's a mistake to offer any options at all, and if it becomes a huge hassle i'm going to get rid of all the options we do have! If people waste too much of my time i'm going to remove the options and they'll all be threadless and cantilever only, or only offer the Compass brakes on certain batches. This being said, someone asked if he could get his without the mid for braze ons for lowrider racks, and if he could get it without a paint/powder coat job. Turns out the answer was yes! Much easier to omit a few details than to change somethings foundation or nature (even though it's a bit of work to keep double checking and to make sure we leave off a braze on that all the other bikes are getting. It can feel wrong as we're constantly double checking to make sure we aren't forgetting any).